Nvidia, this month, unexpectedly released an updated GPU roadmap with new products every year.
The new GPUs for 2024-2026 came despite customers lining up for the red-hot A100 and H100 GPUs for their AI computing needs.
Tesla was among the companies waiting to receive Nvidia GPUs and finally received a batch of 10,000 H100s to power its AI operations, CEO Elon Musk said during an earnings call last week.
Nvidia clearly is not resting on its laurels but declined to comment on its roadmap.
Industry observers suggested Nvidia could leverage chiplets, advanced packaging, and manufacturing technologies to advance chips on an unprecedented yearly basis. Also, Nvidia’s roadmap may be a placeholder, and the company does not have an obligation to deliver on it.
Andrew Feldman, the CEO of Cerebras Systems, felt differently and called Nvidia’s roadmap a “predatory pre-announcement” and said the company was using deceptive practices and its dominant position to hinder competition.
Feldman offered his unabashed opinion to HPCwire of why Nvidia’s roadmap may not be realistic and why it could turn customers off.
Feldman is one of the most vocal critics of Nvidia, but he also has the pedigree as the architect of the world’s largest AI chip. He also talked about how Cerebras’ integrated chip development approach – albeit at a wafer scale — is still important in a world heading toward chiplets.
HPCwire: What do you think of Nvidia’s yearly product roadmap?
Andrew Feldman: I think this is very likely a predatory pre-announce. It is hard to say. Is the pre-announcement because they want to do it or because it helps confuse the market? I think it is the latter.
What Cisco did – they pre-announced a three-phase program that supposedly solved world peace but never got to phase two, let alone three.
HPCwire: What was Cisco’s predatory pre-announce affair?
Feldman: In the late 90s, suddenly, there were a whole bunch of competitors that were eating Cisco’s lunch. And they could not do their engineering as fast.
They put out a three-phase plan that would take five years. The whole kitchen sink got thrown in. It froze the market for a little bit and gave their engineering a chance to sort of catch up. They never delivered on all three phases, ever.
In many ways, it has been a terrible block of time for Nvidia. Stability AI said they were going to go on Intel. Amazon said the Anthropic was going to run on them. We announced a monstrous deal that would produce enough compute so it would be clear that you could build… large clusters with us.
[Nvidia’s] response, not surprising to me, in the strategy realm, is not a better product. It’s… throw sand up in the air and move your hands a lot. And you know, Nvidia was a year late with the H100.
HPCwire: It is an interesting time… you can accelerate roadmaps with chiplets and advances in manufacturing. You can add different parts, especially SRAM and analog, which cannot scale to three nanometers.
Feldman: Companies have been making chips for a long time, and nobody has ever been able to succeed on a one-year cadence because the fabs do not change at a one-year pace.
That means you are paying a huge amount of money to wait for masks and not getting enough time to amortize the cost of those masks. Your vendor does not make money on masks; they make money on the runs.
I think of that as not designing a new chip but modifying the package. You might be able to swap chiplets at regular intervals but remember, that means every nine months, you are going to piss off a customer by selling them a chip that is out of date three months later.
If they are changing the package, it is certainly a smaller lift. It puts some pressure on your software team. And it certainly puts pressure on your customers … every nine months, everything they bought is immediately moved off the cutting edge in favor of some other product.
HPCwire: Cerebras has gone big, with everything integrated into one giant wafer. Others are going in another direction but differently — by decomposing integrated chips into chiplets. Why don’t you do the same?
Feldman: There are two ways to look at it. One is that they are going small, but the other is that they were not good enough to go big. They need more silicon, too, and they are just doing it on lots of little pieces of separate silicon.
We can put it on one piece of silicon, but they want more total silicon. And they [Nvidia] are using an 800-mm2 primary chip, and then they are using lots of memory chips, and then they are using IO chips. And all of that. We just went with a big chip.
I think both strategies try to use more silicon area. We used it on one undiced wafer. They’ve broken it up into many little pieces that must be reassembled on a motherboard or the package.
At the highest level, there’s absolute agreement that you need more silicon area, and we need more transistors for these problems. Whether you do it with one big chip or lots of little chips is an implementation detail of the general idea that you need more silicon.
HPCwire: How do you look at chip design going into the future?
Feldman: We have the most memory bandwidth. We have huge amounts of IO, and I think everybody wants more.
Thinking about how to get more is hugely important. And thinking about how to — whether it’s with chiplets, other techniques, stacking, or other innovative approaches — everyone is hunting for more memory bandwidth because these problems are memory bandwidth constrained. And that is why we are faster than GPUs. But nobody is standing still.
HPCwire: How do you pack more memory in integrated versus the chiplet design approach?
Feldman: SRAM is on your main die. It is the memory that lives next to compute. If you have a limited-size chip like 800mm2 like the H100, every square millimeter you give to SRAM, you take away from a core. You have this dilemma — you can put more memory on chip, which is blisteringly fast, or you can have more compute.
What has been done is on GPUs — they have skinnied up the SRAM on the chip in favor of DRAM or HBM off-chip, which costs a ton. It is a hard problem. That is why we went to wafer scale, so we could slam down a huge amount of SRAM and a huge number of cores. That is what all those architectural choices are about.
HPCwire: Is the advantage the bandwidth?
Feldman: That’s it. That’s how you get on and off of the chip. That is how you power the chip. Those are fundamental elements often overlooked — the package delivers power and IO.
Our decision to put everything on one wafer vastly simplified our ability to communicate across the equivalent of hundreds of GPUs. They have to put switches down, invent NVLink, and then they’ve got some of their customers that don’t buy NVLink and have to use InfiniBand or Ethernet. We move faster at 1,000th of the power 1,000 times as fast.
[Nvidia] recognizes now that they are going to need more IO, do some chiplets, and those are going to spin at a different rate than their primary processors. But they are attacking the same fundamental problem, which is — how on earth do we get more silicon to bear on the problem?
HPCwire: Chiplets seem better for technologies like analog chips, which may not scale to cutting edge. How do you overcome that with your integrated approach?
Historically, there were parts on your chip, in particular, SERDES (serializer/deserializer, a transceiver that converts parallel data to serial data and vice versa) that were analog. And that IP was not moving at the same speed as the rest of the CMOS design, the rest of your logic. We designed around that problem early on.
Our view was that it is a huge problem, and it is also a huge problem that you are likely to buy SERDES from a few numbers of vendors, and they are extraordinarily expensive. Why don’t we design them out completely? So, instead of disaggregating them, we designed them out.
HPCwire: Where is the complexity in AI chip design – is it in learning or inferencing?
Feldman: Inference is a very easy problem, except generative inference, which is a very hard problem and extremely memory and bandwidth-intensive. All the inference we do on images is a trivial problem.
Generative AI is a very hard inference problem. GPUs are very bad at it. And we all do it this minute. But CPUs did it for a while. I think you will see a whole bunch of new parts coming out over the next 6-9-12 months that will be better at it.
But it is a very, very hard problem; it is extremely memory intensive because you are generating each token based on the previous tokens, and that is a linked problem, and you are doing that within a context. And that’s memory, memory, memory.
HPCwire: Sparsity and keeping data closer to processing seems to be a big deal in your AI stack.
Feldman: Sparsity gives you an advantage in every step. You do not store stuff you are not going to use. It is not going to produce any new information. You do not transport bits that don’t carry information. In each of those, you can think about it as a form of compression. You compress the amount of data you need to move so you get more bang for your bandwidth. Each of those is fundamental to the way we think about the problem.
HPCwire: You are still at 7-nm. Nvidia carries a significant advantage in process. With the chip being on a wafer, does the nanometer process even matter for you?
Feldman: Our ability to put transistors down is one of humanity’s crowning achievements. That we can put transistors down at five or three nanometers is extraordinary. The gains you get are real and meaningful, and that cannot be ignored.
However, in the most recent generation, [Nvidia] did not come with any pricing advantage. The H100 is approximately twice [the size of] A100; it has approximately twice as many transistors. So you got twice the compute for twice the price. And that is not a huge gain traditionally.
Your choices are to invent things like we did. And put 46,000 square millimeters of silicon. If you do not want to invent things, you are going to reorganize chips at 800 mm2 and smaller.
It is like saying. ‘Oh, look, we can put two on a motherboard.’ Okay. ‘Oh look, we can tie two together with an NVLink switch and put a CPU complex.’ Okay. ‘Look, we can put a chip down and another little chiplet that helps it with IO.’ Each of those is the same but slightly different in the grand scheme of things. It is tossing your salad differently.
HPCwire: What have you got coming up?
Feldman: I cannot share it with you right now. This industry is a treadmill. Either you are moving forward, or you are racing backward. There are all sorts of really interesting stuff that will be announced over time. Right now, we’re building and selling a huge amount of [silicon].